P.S. Regarding the example I gave, with the file named INPUT, to use Wang VS terms, that would be the PRNAME. On a mainframe they call it the "DD Name". Wang COBOL85 would actually allow this, since the PRNAME is in quotes. A better example for the Wang case is the change of the RPGII PRNAME "UINDS" to the COBOL PRNAME "SWITCHES".
The conversion of RPGII to COBOL85 is fully automated (99.8% last time I measured). The RPG applications we converted varied in size from 3K lines to 189K lines. We have charged anywhere from $0.10 / RPG line to $1.50 / RPG line, depending mostly on the number of lines. Because our process is automated, we generally do fixed-price quotes. The information we need for pricing includes the number of lines, the source platform, and the target platform. When the source and target platform are the same we often achieve plug-compatibility (this isn't always possible, because, for example, RPGII can name a file INPUT, while that word is reserved in COBOL). We charge for training and support separately, but customers rarely need more than two or three weeks of support for a conversion of 40K lines. Our business model is that of an ancient mill: you bring us your RPGII, we mill it into clean compiling COBOL, and you pay us for the service.
Mostly you would have noticed my byline in Access to Wang. Was at Wang for two years, 87-89. Worked on VS equipment almost exclusively '80 to '01. Tried to participate in shutting down the last VS's in the Seattle area '99 to '03. Success at Salmon Terminals '01, converted to AcuCOBOL, on time under budget. (I'm still there, part time know of anyone who needs support half to full time?). Failure at Premera Blue Cross, wrote a temporary XML reader (a simple text search) to allow the VS to read the same XML stream the VS's replacement would read to help with the conversion, after which the VS out performed the replacement by a few orders of magnitude, so much that the VS hung on for a couple more years until both the VS and its replacement could be replaced. Thus a did my effort have a VS positive result, but success in the wrong direction by client standards!
I work for an IT support firm, back in the day we used to be a Wang Partner although sadly these days all but a few of our customers have "got rid of the Wang" and our Wang trained engineers have long since left the company.
The remaining sites are using VS5000/VS6000 machines mostly for archive purposes as they too have migrated to other platforms.
Personally I am new to the VS systems (i started messing with them in December) and have taken to learning them partly to support our remaining Wang sites but mostly for the fun of it!
Most of my translators are too arcane to merit much interest, but the RPGII to COBOL has been used to convert many companies off of VSE, S/36, and several other platforms. Given our service and the COBOL85 compiler on the New VS, any company that has RPGII or RPGIII applications can consider the New VS as a target platform.
My pleasure. I even found here a colleague from the Languages and Tools (compilers, debugger, and editors) group. Even if no one will ever want to migrate VS RPGII to VS COBOL85 using my cross-compiler, it is nice to see that the VS is still alive -- such nice machines!
Hi Thomas, How are you?, I hope fine. Do you really think is possible to make business with my control ActiveX?, maybe is necessary to developer it again using dot Net technology.
In Chile that Activex control was used for Ducasse, CTI, Somela and CAEP company, it was very useful for they.
Hello, Thomas! Still alive and well, just very busy like everyone else. I put in my time during the '80s, and I just like to keep my pulse on the community to see what's going on. I don't have involvement with Wang Systems at this time but it was my life for quite some time working in Customer Engineering. Hey, great new site! It really looks great and I'm looking forward to giving it the "once over". Take good care!
I've had a little trouble getting back to you but thankfully the web site got back to me OK. After I left MAI Basic 4 I started a company called Midware Technologies. Gene Schulz is my partner - we have been in business since 1993 selling BASIC 2 conversion /upgrade software. I seem to recall the time when your group came to Lowell but don'rt remember too much about the meeting. You are correct though the 2200 group was struggling to keep the product alive back then. Dr Wang and the senior staff had just one motivation at the time and that was to make the VS a success. Unfortunately they did it at great expense to the 2200 and to my PC program. I had several meetings at the time with Bill Gates and he was determined to give Wang the edge with Dos but unfortunately Dr. Wang and John cunningham were too much agains in expensive systems. They felt success was going to bein the mod range systems priced in the 100K to 300K $USrange. they had good reasining but didn't understand the market. I left the company because I could not convince them that PC's were the way to go. In any case here we are years later and now a little wiser than before. What are you doing at the moment - are you still working with the VS environment?
Yes - I worked for Wang - I was VP of product marketing from 1980 to 1985 and then I also managed the industry marketing group for Banking and Tempest. Prior to making VP I was one o fthe 2200 series product managers. I left Wang in 1986 and after a couple of consulting jobs ended up VP of marketing for MAI Basic 4. My 20 years at Wang were great but i left because they were missing the boat on PC's. That seems so long ago.
Thanks for the welcome and this group. Its brought back a lot of good memories. Our VS has been gone for 9 years now but I still find myself looking for PF16 to exit a program every now and then.
Came back this way when I realized that we didn't have the proper cabling for our old WUBU drive that's been mothballed for about 11 years. In the meantime, I discovered that Compucom still has a little WANG expertise and hardware including a WUBU drive so I ended up sending some nearly 20 year old tapes to them to recover a file. They did and it worked out perfectly. That file nearly completes our migration off our VS unfortunately. There's one more app that is still in use and the project to replace it is under way. It is sad to say that I expect by mid-summer that the Maine Legislature will be turning it's VS off for good.
I know that in those days, the 1990's, WANG Word Processing was widely in use in Rotterdam, and other local government in teh Netherlands. As I wrote a moment ago, many offices had a Wang system, with lots of coax cabeling, dropcabels, and many more Wang specific hardware. I never was managing a Wang VS system. I did many jobs for the Information Branch. When an office was moving to a new location, or different floor in te building, we as a team, served the system managers by installing the workstations and cabeling in the evening and nightly hours, so that the officers could start the new day at the new location. Those were the days.